Christmas Present II

[Brassx]

(12-16-2017, 12:54 PM)tobiasxz Wrote:  What other goal is there on FRG though? Its heavily implied that Godlikes are "end game" items, so by that logic they should be the ultimate goal. Yeah, its not written anywhere, but again its pretty heavily implied.

Godlikes are some of the rarest/most unique items, so they are the most sought after, but we don't technically have 'end game content' in the traditional sense. We aren't a RPG (yet ). The goals are set purely by players, which you're right, the players do determine that.

I'm just not fully convinced people want these older expired ones because they actually LIKE them(I've read/heard their complaints when they were new, so I stand by this). I'm more on the side that they want them simply because of how rare and 'prestigious' they have become. Which begs the question, do we need a new type of item(always obtainable) even more rare than godlike as an ultimate goal?

Quote:No game really has it written in stone that "X is an end game item", that's really decided by a majority of the player population.

Eh. That's not entirely true. Some games clearly label content as end-game activities and loot to chase from said end-game activities..(Destiny, Runescape, WoW, etc) We aren't quite like that. We don't have level requirements or anything really to be truly considered 'end game' (in the traditional sense). What we do have is 'collect all items to reach a point where the only things you want are the godlikes you can't obtain'. So in a way that is 'kind of' end-gameish. But there's not much stopping new players from obtaining 'endgame items'.

Quote:Calling them special snowflakes was a bad way of wording it, though to be fair I never really said there's anything wrong with that either, and I do it myself actually.

When you basically insult people for using them how they want to, then attempt to declare your opinion as the one true way - saying "they ARE meant for this, NOT this", THAT is saying it's wrong. Not directly, but it's clear. It was simply not well put, but I understand your point nonetheless.

You, and others feel like these items need to be utilized and used, and be active in the economy.

I agree with that, which is one of the reasons I brought back a bunch of these godlikes from previous xmas events. None of them were really in the system anymore,  and literally only 1 snowglobe dropped.

While I do agree, we have to tread carefully on how this issue is handled. Last thing we want is another "candy cane deagle". We also don't want to kill some of the incentives for participating in seasonal events (which sometimes people only do for the chance at items that are only available during it).

That being said I 100% believe SOME expired items should not make a return anytime soon(Those being mostly the recent ones, that have had quite a few drop), I also fully understand the perspective of some of the people who own said items, and how talk of them returning feels scary. ESPECIALLY if they paid a ton for them knowing they would get this sought after. I felt the same way with my Howl on CS:GO. Knowing if valve ever re-introduced them, their prices would be completely destroyed.