(03-13-2019, 08:35 AM)Brassx Wrote:  They do scale with points, just not too extreme, it's a community/world boss. There's a min amount of crates you can get, since you can die and lose points. The main thing that changes with point amounts are the unique chances.  I don't think any change is needed.

Quote:Not all of us have azuredge's. I can fight the kraken without dying once and constantly shooting and get half the damage someone does literally because their gear is better than mine. For a "raid" type boss, that's not very fair nor fun.

This statement is actually just dumb, terran. Players with better gear can and most likely SHOULD perform better at PvE. That's just how things go, and how it is in like every online RPG known to fucking man... But.. without that, what the hell is even the point of having better weapons in the game?? This isn't some competitive player vs player event, it's a 'world boss' that has a static HP amount every time it spawns, no matter the player count. There's a big reason why there's not an actual scoreboard, the final resulting score doesn't really matter as much as the fact the boss was actually defeated. Just because you don't get top damage, doesn't mean you have 0 chance of getting any unique drops.. The first stormforged that dropped was like 9th place.


Look at OSRS Chambers of Xeric. Each player has points similar to this, based on the amount of work they've done. Someone with a TBOW and max gear, and better stats will always have more points than someone who doesn't. More points = better chance at a unique drop in your name.

Also yes, the person who proc'd the kraken gets double unique rolls (so they are 2x as common for them), and extra crates/even more enraged eye chances.

(03-13-2019, 09:51 PM)Terran Wrote:  

(03-13-2019, 08:35 AM)Brassx Wrote:  They do scale with points, just not too extreme, it's a community/world boss. There's a min amount of crates you can get, since you can die and lose points. The main thing that changes with point amounts are the unique chances.  I don't think any change is needed.

Quote:Not all of us have azuredge's. I can fight the kraken without dying once and constantly shooting and get half the damage someone does literally because their gear is better than mine. For a "raid" type boss, that's not very fair nor fun.

This statement is actually just dumb, terran. Players with better gear can and most likely SHOULD perform better at PvE. That's just how things go, and how it is in like every online RPG known to fucking man... But.. without that, what the hell is even the point of having better weapons in the game?? This isn't some competitive player vs player event, it's a 'world boss' that has a static HP amount every time it spawns, no matter the player count. There's a big reason why there's not an actual scoreboard, the final resulting score doesn't really matter as much as the fact the boss was actually defeated. Just because you don't get top damage, doesn't mean you have 0 chance of getting any unique drops.. The first stormforged that dropped was like 9th place.


Look at OSRS Chambers of Xeric. Each player has points similar to this, based on the amount of work they've done. Someone with a TBOW and max gear, and better stats will always have more points than someone who doesn't. More points = better chance at a unique drop in your name.

Also yes, the person who proc'd the kraken gets double unique rolls (so they are 2x as common for them), and extra crates/even more enraged eye chances.

One slight difference is Chambers of Xeric, you choose your team. Or, you can even do it solo; its not an event of 20-some people, and usually you're communicating. You have a solid (many) points, though. You can also get rewards from Xeric from team support, herblore, farming, fishing, hunting etc, so it isn't solely a damage based thing. A lot of the fights rely on a puzzle of sorts, too, not a DPS-fest.

Quote:A lot of the fights rely on a puzzle of sorts, too, not a DPS-fest.

(03-13-2019, 10:57 PM)Terran Wrote:  Well, you've done a heck of a lot more than me, so that's fair then. So higher points = better chance, that's how it works, right? The main issue seems to be the lower-tiered scaling needs balancing. I.E when I literally shot the kraken 3x, I got like 10 less crates than the time I tryharded as best as I could.

(03-13-2019, 11:04 PM)Brassx Wrote:  

(03-13-2019, 10:57 PM)Terran Wrote:  Well, you've done a heck of a lot more than me, so that's fair then. So higher points = better chance, that's how it works, right? The main issue seems to be the lower-tiered scaling needs balancing. I.E when I literally shot the kraken 3x, I got like 10 less crates than the time I tryharded as best as I could.

Yeah. Crates are 'pity' rewards. Points = better chances at uniques, including enraged eyes.

OH also, dying is bugged right now where you don't actually lose points. That may also help.

(03-13-2019, 11:31 PM)Terran Wrote:  

(03-13-2019, 11:04 PM)Brassx Wrote:  

(03-13-2019, 10:57 PM)Terran Wrote:  Well, you've done a heck of a lot more than me, so that's fair then. So higher points = better chance, that's how it works, right? The main issue seems to be the lower-tiered scaling needs balancing. I.E when I literally shot the kraken 3x, I got like 10 less crates than the time I tryharded as best as I could.

Yeah. Crates are 'pity' rewards. Points = better chances at uniques, including enraged eyes.

OH also, dying is bugged right now where you don't actually lose points. That may also help.

Do you have anything that tracks the best damage people do? I had people talking about 70,000+ damage when the best I can do with a heroic galil, reload+shock absorb crystal is about 22,000. Tried an AUG even, about the same. Was I being bamboozled? But then again, there was a corner of like 4 people with +sag and the best guns available.

(03-13-2019, 11:31 PM)Terran Wrote:  

(03-13-2019, 11:04 PM)Brassx Wrote:  

(03-13-2019, 10:57 PM)Terran Wrote:  Well, you've done a heck of a lot more than me, so that's fair then. So higher points = better chance, that's how it works, right? The main issue seems to be the lower-tiered scaling needs balancing. I.E when I literally shot the kraken 3x, I got like 10 less crates than the time I tryharded as best as I could.

Yeah. Crates are 'pity' rewards. Points = better chances at uniques, including enraged eyes.

OH also, dying is bugged right now where you don't actually lose points. That may also help.

Do you have anything that tracks the best damage people do? I had people talking about 70,000+ damage when the best I can do with a heroic galil, reload+shock absorb crystal is about 22,000. Tried an AUG even, about the same. Was I being bamboozled? But then again, there was a corner of like 4 people with +sag and the best guns available.